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Katharine Kanter



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MessagePosté le: Dim Nov 19, 2017 12:00 am    Sujet du message: M. Guillaume Cizeron Répondre en citant

The author of these lines is anything BUT a fan of ice-skating.

However, this little clip, found on Danse avec la Plume, is quite fascinating,

PROVIDED one turn off the sound and PROVIDED one ignore any claims to "art", as sheer SPORT, the expertise demonstrated is remarkable.

(Musicians, BEWARE. If one turns ON the sound, one will be falling about laughing ... it is BEYOND kitsch)

But as SPORT, it is most instructive

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhsbmgEHrfY

This is a French ice-skating couple from whose SPINAL CONTROL the ballet-trade has much to learn.

The man in particular is amazing.

Those lifts are quite terrifying, and his spine and shoulders are almost-ideally placed in every one. The only postural risks one finds him taking, is when coming out of grand plié where one notes slight spinal flexion.

As for the basic stance of his back, the curve at L5-S1 is most pronounced, precisely where a curve is the most useful. The rest of the back is what E. Gokhale calls "J-shaped".

At no time does one see either his rib-cage, or that of Mlle Papadakis projecting, in other words there is no pressure on the lumbar spine.

Whoever their coach in bio-mechanics may be, HATS OFF!!!

A word to the wise. Do not try this in your living room.


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sophia



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MessagePosté le: Jeu Fév 22, 2018 2:03 pm    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

La prestation des patineurs français Gabriella Papadakis et Guillaume Cizeron aux JO est commentée par Gia Kourlas, la critique de danse du New York Times!
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/20/arts/dance/ice-dancing-gabriella-papadakis-guillaume-cizeron.html


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Mameuh



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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 27, 2018 11:37 am    Sujet du message: Répondre en citant

Vous devriez surtout chercher sur le net leur danse libre de 2015, qui rappellera beaucoup de choses aux balletomanes :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-S0n5CFqM0

Celle de 2016 est tout autant fascinante et à ce jour ma préférée :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rGHeK1V2rU

Celle de 2017 explore un côté plus sombre, moins lisse :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SwGAKU27K0

Et cette année, ils ont collaboré pour la gestuelle avec Jeffrey CIRIO.

Ce sont des athlètes, mais avant tout des danseurs. Et oui, Guillaume est un danseur sur glace parfait ! J'espère que l'Argent glané aux JO nous permettra de les voir 4 années de plus sur le circuit.

J'espère qu'ils vont regarder le travail de Crystal Pite, étant donné qu'ils s'entraînent au Canada. En tout cas, j'ai fait en sorte que leur coach français ait les liens vers The Season's canon.


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Katharine Kanter



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MessagePosté le: Mar Fév 27, 2018 12:46 pm    Sujet du message: Almost no-one is going to understand this ... Répondre en citant

Almost no-one is going to understand this, so I'm probably wasting my breath.

However, "à bon entendeur salut".

The only thing that interests me in this ice-skating business, is the bio-mechanics. This fellow Cizéron really knows his stuff, and so does the lady. Least-action principle.

However, why is ice-skating NOT art? And why will it never be an art?

People do not, and cannot understand it, because what we see on stage in the ballet, what we hear as "classical" music in performance today, would only very, very rarely qualify as an artistic experience.

The constraints in ice-skating is what makes it a sport. There is ice, there are unbelievably high speeds, and there are blades. Skaters are required, increasingly, to perform moves that are spectacular, shocking and of course, dangerous.

Indeed, skating on that level is an extemely dangerous activity; consequently 70% to 80% of the skater's mental powers, are focussed on the physical constraints, i.e. avoiding an accident.

The rest of his mental powers go to making it "look pretty", by creating attractive shapes that seem almost machine-generated, robot-like.

How that might qualify as art, is a complete mystery to me.

Classical dance itself is an intrinsically unstable, insecure art form.

As the entire, heavy human body must be moved across the stage, classical dance necessarily stands at the frontier between "sport" and "art". The constraints are so numerous - gravity first of all, holding the turnout, cardio-vascular - that one step too many, and that frontier has been crossed. It has long been crossed by people such as Wayne McGregor, David Dawson etc.; their trademark: dangerous moves, quite detached from the very substance of classical dance, namely the step-language.

Classical dance can only be held back on this side of the frontier by reverting to its "core-business": the vocabulary (step-language), pantomime gesture, drama and above all, deep knowledge of music.

Since leg-lifting and the attendant crotch-display came into fashion circa 1986 with a certain SG, the average theatre-goer is unlikely to have seen a truly great classical dancer at work. In other words, they are unacquainted with the domain of thoughts, feelings and emotions in which great artists such as Alla Shelest, Royes Fernandez or closer to home, Elisabeth Maurin, live.

Ice-skating, a perfectly fine sport, if one likes sport, is now seen as on the par with classical dance or even as an attractive alternative, simply because we have lost sight of who we really are, and what we are supposed to be about.


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